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Laura

I put assholes in two categories:
1) Assholes who know they are assholes; and 2) Assholes who don't know they are assholes. I believe the ones in category 2 are more dangerous and lethal because they catch you off guard.

One additional note: I once worked for an asshole who turned out to be bi-polar. With medication, it's possible she may not be an asshole at all. Turns out I had to take medication in order to be able to deal with her. Go figure!

kareem

Bob, you might dig this article by Clay Shirky, a prof at NYU and an expert in online communities.

"A Group is its Own Worst Enemy":
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

Siona

Oh, I fully realize that there are sometimes incorrigable sabotuers. While I prefer trying to humanize the connection between the aggressor and the people or person whom she or he is hurting, (oftentimes reformed jerks - like those who quit cigarettes - can become major defenders of those in less powerful positions and converts to the no-jerk movment) it's sometimes either impossible or inefficient to do so; too, it's oftentimes important not to come across as sanctioning or being overly forgiving of bad behavior.

I think, though, that the more than can be done to work with, say, such sexist pigs as the lawyer in your story, the better. Kicking him out of the company will just mean that he'll take his abusive behavior elsewhere, or will just give him cause to be all the more resentful and cruel towards women. I'd love to see more cases in which options were given ("Either enter into some sort of program for your abusive misogyny, or get out" ) . . . but then, I do err toward an aburd idealism. ;)

Bob Sutton

Siona,

Thanks so much for your fantastic advice and writing, it is wise and also touching. I agree completely that -- online or offline -- the first steps should always be in private and with understanding. And I love your point that, when people act like this, it is a sign they care and have energy. Plus a related point, which you imply, is that one of the most reliable ways to turn someone into an asshole is to call them one (and quite possibly to turn yourself into one).

Nonetheless, when such subtle tactics fail, a time comes when harsher tactics are called for -- as I believe should have been done with the sexist pig lawyer identified in my next post.

Siona

I work as a writer / editor for the magazine pages of a major online community, and part of my unofficial job description involves keeping up with member posts on the forums. While I have the capacity to ban trolls, I find it much more personally satisfying to help convert them into active and healthy participants.

What I'll usually do when I find encounter someone behaving like an "asshat" is to contact them privately; I'll present myself as someone sympathetic to and / or curious about their presence on the site. As trolling is most essentially an attention-seeking device, the offending member is usually pleased about being noticed and it doesn't take long to start up a dialogue. A few heartfelt questions about what it is that drew them to the site (asking "why" usually leads to defensiveness, but "what" and "how" questions tend to encourage conversation) generally brings out a story.

What I've found is that the vast majority of forum abusers really do have something to offer -- after all, they must care in some way about the topic involved or they wouldn't invest so much energy in derailing it! -- and that it doesn't take much to ease them into a postive contribution. When this happens, there's then the problem of getting the rest of the group to get over their own bruised feelings, but at this point it's not hard for me to step up publically and make a plea for a second chance.

While it's near-impossible to do this from a place of manipulation or control, coming from an attitude of genuine care can do wonders in facilitating healthy online communities. I know I haven't answered your question about rules or "enforcing" norms -- or said much about traditional forms of "management" -- but I did want to offer another approach to the problem of "demeaning jerks."

And thanks for a great blog!

ann michael

"If you've been labeled as a dick, or if you suspect that you may be one..."

While this is the beginning of my most favorite paragraph in this post, without being specifically labeled, I fear most dicks don't suspect they might be one all on their own!

Even when labeled they might actually tend to believe they are victims of an unfair practice and their actions are really not the issue at all!

Bob Sutton

Jason,

This is wonderful. Perhaps we should send the shirt to the folks at Holland & Knight -- see my next post!

Jason Yip

The Penny Arcade Alliance (i.e., World of Warcraft guilds with a Penny Arcade theme) rules:
http://forums.pa-guilds.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13&highlight=rules

And of course, the Penny Arcade t-shirt:

"Jesus Says: Don't be a dick"
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pennyarcade/84c5/

Perhaps you can create your own t-shirt:

"Bob Sutton says: Don't be an asshole."

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