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Doug Park

Bob,
Your nuanced thoughts about business ethics are appreciated. I like to believe that some people are more ethical than others, but a recent example really bugs me. Among other things, the Securities and Exchange Information is charged with prosecuting violations of the insider trading laws. I think most of us would agree that insider trading is unethical and should be prosecuted. Recently, the SEC revealed that two of its attorneys are being investigated for insider trading. One attorney in the SEC's Office of the General Counsel and has access to substantial non-public information, while the other attorney works in the enforcement division. http://preview.tinyurl.com/q3b92t What a horrible disappointment.

Wally Bock

Thanks for a great and a thorough post, Bob. I think it's important to have people commenting on business ethics. It helps keep us honest and often forces us to examine behavior that we might gloss over otherwise. And, as you know, I'm a strong advocate of the need for shared sacrifice and considering alternatives to layoffs.

So why was I so angry when I read the Times piece? There were two reasons.

One was my frequent problem with people who comment on business from the outside. There was no indication that Cohen has any friends who are business people or has ever engaged in business himself. The result is a massive understatement and misstatement of the challenges that business owners and managers face when they consider layoffs. Don't criticize what you don't understand.

The other reason was the "holier-than-thou" moral tone. Certainly there are a lot of thoughtless people and true assholes in business. You've found the marketing opportunity they provide. But I don't think those folks are over-represented in business. I dare say that academia, perhaps even professional ethicists, has its fair share.

Wally Bock

Congratulations! This post was selected as one of the five best independent business blog posts of the week in my Three Star Leadership Midweek Review of the Business Blogs.

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Joyce Maroney

Bob - this is a great post. In my 15+ years as a manager, having had to conduct more layoffs than I care to count, I can tell Mr. Cohen that these are always wrenching decisions and even more wrenching conversations with the affected employees. I've had to lay people off at 4 different organizations, and I can assure you that none of these decisions were made lightly or without exhausting all other feasible expense reduction options.

Murthy

Hi Professor Sutton,

Thank you for the fascinating reference to Randy's article - indeed, his argument is significantly flawed though his intent and spirit are obviously very noble ones.

A very simple example of a flaw is the following: many people spend less at home during a recession. Maybe they don't eat out as much. Is it unethical for them to do so? Indirectly, they are causing harm to waiters, chefs, farmers, etc? If businesses have a moral obligation to spend, do consumers have one too? Obviously this line of reasoning is ludicrous.

I think the whole intellectual space of ethics is clouded by the failure to distinguish the "how" from the "what." Ethics, morals, values, etc are conditions on "how" to do something, not what to do. You don't ask, "what's the ethical answer to 5+7?" No, 5+7 always equals 12. The answer to "what" questions are no different whether the answerer is an individual of high ethics or not.

A great example of this confusion is the national debate on the use of torture. The proponents of torture keep advocating how effective it is. They don't realize that the debate isn't about whether it is effective or what information was retrieved - the debate is about whether the practice is consistent with American values - its not about "what to do," its about "how to do it."

Whether a company should do layoffs or not is a "what" question - perhaps not quite as formulaic as 5+7, but its a question that has some kind of relatively rational reasoning behind it. Aside from the rare case of an intentionally psychotic or incompetent management team, I highly doubt the decision is made without consideration of all of the short-term and long-term consequences.

The ethics question, then, is "how to do the layoff." Do you walk people out, do you give them time to say goodbyes, do you provide severance, do you provide outplacement support, etc. These are the questions of ethics and culture that define a company's practice.

I don't mean to say that "what" questions are beyond scrutiny or criticism - obviously there are companies that turn the layoff knob only to have done more damage than they saved - but that's not an ethical analysis, that's a strategic business analysis like one you would conduct on any other similar knob.

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