I met all kinds of interesting people at the conference, but several stand-out. The first was Yuzaburo Mogi, CEO of the Kikkoman Corporation, which I believe is the leading producer of soy sauce in the world. Mr Mogi's ancestors started the company over 300 years ago and he has worked there for 51 years. Mr. Mogi was fun and had a great zest for life. I loved hearing his stories. Among other things, he described his firm's ventures into the wine business and how, although it isn't as profitable as soy sauce, the wines made by his company (which are not available in the U.S.) have been winning awards in Europe.
The second was Dr. Robert Care, CEO of Arup Australasia. I have blogged about Dr. Care before, as Arup is renowned for doing the toughest structural engineering work in the world, from the Sydney Opera House to the stunning "water cube" in 2008 Peking Olympics. I confess, however, I was especially keen to meet Dr. Care to talk with him about the "no dickhead rule" that he had instituted and that I had blogged about here before. Dr. Care, a charming and tall man, explained how they were using the rule to encourage civility and cooperation, which was essential to both the kind of work they do and -- as it is a firm wholly owned by an employee trust -- essential given the kind of culture they have and want to perpetuate.
Third, and although I have known him for about 30 years, I was especially impressed with an exchange that HR guru Dave Ulrich had with an audience member, who was lamenting about the lack of power that HR had and who wondered if people from HR could ever be CEO's. Dave, quite wisely I thought, gently responded that it wasn't constructive to focus on that question, as if you were in HR the kind of work you do is remarkably valuable to your company and it is your job to do it as well as possible -- and it is just isn't very constructive for your colleagues or yourself to obsess over issues like whether HR has enough power. I am not even sure I entirely agreed with Dave's answer, but he stated it more elegantly than I did here, and -- as he told me in private conversation shortly thereafter -- people who focus too much on becoming top dog in the future and not enough on the quality of the work they do right now are the wrong people to take leadership positions.
I could go on and on about other people and things I learned. But because so many readers here and at BNET wrote so many great comments (about 75 total at the moment) about "the dumbest practices used by U.S. companies," I thought I had better tell you how those ideas shaped my comments. I did not directly label my closing remarks as "dumb practices."Rather as I hung out at the conference, and thought of the comments you made and the topics we were discussing at the conference, I decided that -- in the short 10 minutes I had (I confess that I ended-up going 12 minutes... my apologies to master of ceremonies Professor Narayan Pant), that I would use the time to question some deeply held and often suspect HR assumptions and practices. The ultimate aim of the conference, and a host of other other efforts by Singapore's Ministry of Manpower and other agencies is to develop and spread the very best "people management" practices throughout Singapore and the rest of the region. Although many executives and academics at the conference were mindful of these challenge, it still felt like they (and me too.... it is an automatic response) often mindlessly slipped into doing what had always been because, well, it had always been done that way.
As such, about four hours before my talk, I slipped away for a couple hours and pounded out the list below of 10 "Flawed, Suspect, and Incomplete Assumptions About Managing People." The conference organizers, bless their hearts, were nonplussed by my absurd request to produce and pass out 800 copies to audience with a couple hours notice. I thanked and apologized to Low Peck Kem (who has a great job title "Director of People Matters" at the Ministry of Manpower), and she gave an answer that I've never heard before "Anything is possible" and added "this is easy."
The handout is reprinted below, and although it was impossible to include everything in this 12 minute talk (indeed, I only made it to point 8), I think you can see the influence of your comments as well as many other themes I have talked about on this blog. The point I emphasized to the audience was that I am not even sure that I believe everything on the list: My goal was to jolt them into thinking about and to challenge their assumptions. Also, to add some background, I have provided links to past posts and other sources that expand on the points below. I would love your comments and especially your disagreements because, as I said, this list is meant to provoke rather then persuade.
Bob Sutton’s Top 10 List
Flawed, Suspect, and Incomplete Assumptions
about Managing People
1. HR ought to be all about spotting, hiring, and breeding individual talent (HR could pack a bigger wallop by focusing on teams and networks more).
2. HR should focus on finding, hiring, and developing the very best people (Bad is stronger than good – about 5 times stronger -- so screening-out, reforming, expelling the very worst people is more crucial to collective performance).
3. Find some great superstars and pay them whatever is necessary to keep them happy… and certainly a lot more than everyone else (The best organizations pay higher than competitors, but have more compressed pay).
4. Competition makes people, teams, and companies stronger (Unless people and teams are rewarded for undermining one another rather than helping each other… dysfunctional internal competition is one of the most pervasive problems in American firms).
5. Harmony and having a shared vision are crucial to success (Perhaps for routine work; but creativity depends on battling over ideas. Part of HR’s job should be to teach people how to “fight as if they are right, and listen as if they are wrong”).
6. The key to success is copying practices used by the best companies. (The best companies may be succeeding despite rather than because of their HR practices).
7. Every company needs a great performance review system. (Are they really worth the time and effort? Do they do more harm than good?).
8. Taking a leadership position brings out the best in people. (This is a dangerous half-truth. Giving people power over others turns them into self-centered jerks).
9. The most important thing HR can do is to find and develop great senior leaders (Having an organization with a high proportion of good bosses is probably more important).
10. The best organizations have the best people, “the people make the place.” (There are huge differences in talent, but the best organizations typically have the best systems and not necessarily the best raw talent).
Robert Sutton, Stanford University (www.bobsutton.net)
Singapore Human Capital Summit
30 September 2009
i like the articles,Bob Sutton’s Top 10 List is intresting!
Posted by: soy sauce | June 13, 2011 at 07:45 PM
An interesting list but let's follow Ulrich's questioner and his response and pop up a level: for those principles to be applicable a company has to decide to follow them. In other words good HR tactical principles depend on the strategic credibility and impact of HR. But my response would have turned it around. HR like many other functional specialties, e.g. IT and logistics, doesn't have more clout because it hasn't earned it.
You earn it by a)speaking in corporate wide language - what impact can/does/should HR have on business performance. All the questions and points you're making strike me as functional implementation issues. Now there are big picture issues such as work, workflow and team design for blue collar work, devising ways to manage the knowledge worker who's supervisors won't necessarily understand his work, associated challenges in team and workflow design, compensation and coordination across organizational boundaries. That leads to major questions about appropriate org design from a strategy perspective, skill development for knowledge workers, managers and top executives and many others. It turns out I've had to wrestle with those in every organization I've been involved in and we never asked HR to contribute and HR made no effort to contribute.
Hmmm....what's wrong with this picture?
Posted by: dblwyo | October 08, 2009 at 04:04 AM
This is a great list and I learned a lot from it. Every one of us human beings is flawed in some way, and depending on individual persons or talents to fix flawed systems is just compounding the problem I think. I am starting to learn that the greater good comes from creating strong networks and systems in an organization, rather than the power of individual people.
Posted by: Ajo Cherian | October 06, 2009 at 01:28 PM
I find your list to be very true, and if all HR companies followed these guidelines, their companies would probably be much more successful. Can you elaborate on #5? The comment "fight as if you were right, and listen as if you were wrong" is interesting. Do you mean have confidence and be open-minded? Thanks.
Posted by: Cecelia Ghezzi | October 05, 2009 at 04:46 PM
I wouldlike to see one that says something about tearing down the dysfunctional silos and insuring we win and lose asa team as discussed in my blog: Silos are Great for Shooting Missiles not for growing Market Leading Organizations, “Tear Down Your Dysfunctional Silo’s and become a Market Leader http://nosmokeandmirrors.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/silos-are-great-for-shooting-missiles-not-for-growing-market-leading-organizations-tear-down-your-dysfunctional-silos-and-become-a-market-leader/
HR can play a strategic role in helping organizations become market leaders.
Mark Allen Roberts
www.outbsolutions.com
Posted by: Mark Allen Roberts | October 05, 2009 at 01:47 PM
I would agree with #7 but what people fail to remember is that a performance review is the end result of a means. That means is-coaching and feedback which should have taken place everyday wether it be to say; "Good morning, I noticed you implemented this new time table into your presentation which makes it flow better," or "Good Morning can we discuss your presentation? I noticed you made some changes that will work well, may I ask some questions that the audience may ask to help you." Or just simply "Good Morning, How are You?" We live in a time where people forget how to enjoy the now and the journey, as someone pointed out to me last week. She was abosolutely right. I'm very passionate about coaching and feedback; if managers did this more often most of everything else on your list would be a no brainer.
I've realized as an HR Manager it's the connections and the journey that I enjoy. We forget about the human touch/connections we make each day and think we are doing a great job when we send out an emai. Which is a whole other topic in itself.
Thanks for Sharing.
Posted by: Netra Macon | October 05, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Number 10(the reverse of it that is...)has been on my list of "truisims" since the days of my grad school training in organization development. I don't know who to attribute this to...but it is a quote I heard in one of my classes. In conversations I've had with managers, it has always got them thinking differently about their "people" problems. The quote...no doubt a bit of a paraphrase by now...if you put good people in a bad system, the system wins most every time!
Posted by: Marty Jordan | October 05, 2009 at 01:30 PM
Hi Bob: Great list, and especially profound is the "bad is stronger than good" comment. How many times are good people brought into a bad situation with the weight being on new talent to "expel" the problem, sometimes merely by being there and training for the person's position. Not a good start, and the new hire feels the burden and the guilt! Good HR leaders don't weigh down new talent to the organization in this way.
Great points, and I appreciated and enjoyed the comments from your experience in Singamore.
Posted by: Susan Penn | October 05, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Dear Prof Sutton,
I agree that these are assumptions that may need to be challenged. As an organisation design specialist, I particularly like the last one that focuses on systems. However, there may seem to be a slight contradiction with number 7: The review system (I would call it the performance management process) is also a "system" - ? I have yet to see a good proposal for what could supplant the performance management process (other than the boss' intuition about who deserves rewards etc, which is even more problematical).
Posted by: Nicolay Worren | October 05, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Love the list, Bob. My favorite is number 10. We know this is true, but why has the focus on talent and strengths become such a frenzy? Is fixing crappy systems really that difficult?
Posted by: Bret Simmons | October 05, 2009 at 04:58 AM